Hallo Forum,

ich hab den bekannten Kibri-Bausatz zusammengebaut und anhand von Originalfotos noch einige Details ergänzt. Alle Bausatzteile wurden lackiert um den Kunststoffglanz zu nehmen:




















Viele Grüße
Wilhelm

Moin Moin!

eine sehr schöne Arbeit!

Hallo Wilhelm,

sieht toll aus! Gibt's den auch motorisiert, bzw. geht die Bausatzanleitung auf eine mögliche Motorisierung ein?

Viele Grüße,

Kalle

Hallo Wilhelm,

bei mir steht der Aufbau auch bald mal an. Gibt es irgend etwas bei dem Aufbau zu beachten? Will da keine Fehler machen und evtl. aus Deinen Aufbau Erfahrungen lernen .

Eine Motorisierung würde mich auch reizen. Muss heute Abend mal die Anleitung studieren.

Hallo Kalle

schau mal bei SB-Modellbau

Leider nicht gerade preiswert

Hallo Forum,

@ Kalle (Kaeselok): Kibri hat keine Motorisierung vorgesehen. Aber Alexander hat schon auf SB-Modellbau hingewiesen. Den entsprechenden Umbausatz der 2 komplette neue Drehgestelle beinhaltet haben die schon mehrere Jahre in ihrer Ausstellungsvitrine. Dürfte in Kürze wieder in Sinsheim zu sehen sein.
Dieser Umbausatz ist zwar wirklich nicht billig aber meines Erachtens das Geld wert. Aber man kann den Kran mit diesem Satz nur fahrbar machen; weitere Bewegungen sind damit nicht möglich.

@ Sebastian: Man sollte auf keinen Fall versuchen, das Modell so zu bauen, daß die von Kibri vorgesehenen Teile beweglich bleiben. Also z.B. teleskopierbarer Ausleger und Gegengewicht, beweglicher Krankaken usw. Man sollte sich vor dem Zusammenbau entscheiden, ob das Modell fahrbar oder im Einsatz (mit ausgefahrenem Ausleger usw.) dargestellt werden soll und die Teile dann entsprechend festkleben. Grund: Wenn die Teile nicht fest sind gibt es bei jeder kleinen Bewegung des Modelles ein nahezu unentwirrbares Durcheinander bei den Kranseilen. Zumindest hängen diese durch, was wirklich nicht gut aussieht.
Als Achsen habe ich Roco Nr. 40266 mit RP 25-Profil genommen. Nach Anpassung des Radsatzinnenmaßes auf 14.0 mm laufen diese auf K-Gleisen und -Weichen sehr betriebssicher. Außerdem wirken die Räder mit den niedrigen RP 25 Spurkränzen einfach besser an dem filigranen Modell. Auch der "Glanz" dieser Räder paßt, weil das Original auf allen Rädern scheibengebremst ist. Mit NEM-Profil paßt die Roco Nr. 40194.

Viele Grüße
Wilhelm

Hallo Wilhelm,
von welcher Firma ist der Kranbegleitwagen?
Gruß
Johannes

Hallo Johannes,

der Begleitwagen ist von "Klein Modellbahn" Nr. 3623.

Viele Grüße
Wilhelm

Hallo Wilhelm,
besten Dank. Dann werd ich mir den Wagen mal besorgen.
Gruß
Johannes

Zitat von Arno

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Hallo Forum,

ich hab den bekannten Kibri-Bausatz zusammengebaut und anhand von Originalfotos noch einige Details ergänzt. Alle Bausatzteile wurden lackiert um den Kunststoffglanz zu nehmen:



Viele Grüße
Wilhelm

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Hi,

I'm also building Gottwald Railway Telescopic Crane GS 100.06T produced by Kibri (16000):
http://archiv.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=98043

Do you have any photos of the real railway crane from DB or DB Bahnbau?


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hello Ayala Botto,

I found some Fotos of the real crane in the german model-railway-journal "MIBA" (Miniaturbahnen). Edition 12 from 1999.

You can also find some information and fotos if you ask for "Gottwald Kran" in Google.

Best regards
Wilhelm

Zitat von Arno

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Hello Ayala Botto,

I found some Fotos of the real crane in the german model-railway-journal "MIBA" (Miniaturbahnen). Edition 12 from 1999.

You can also find some information and fotos if you ask for "Gottwald Kran" in Google.

Best regards
Wilhelm

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Hi Wilhelm,

Thanks for the suggestion!
Can you send me (or share in this topic) the photos of the real railwail crane available at the german model-railway-journal "MIBA" (Miniaturbahnen) / Edition 12 from 1999?



Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hello Ayale Botto,

I just have a very bad copy of the pages in the MIBA. The quality is so bad that they cannot be scanned.

I will ask a friend. May be he still has the original-journal and I will scan the fotos and send to you.

Regards
Wilhelm

Zitat von Arno

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Hello Ayale Botto,

I just have a very bad copy of the pages in the MIBA. The quality is so bad that they cannot be scanned.

I will ask a friend. Max be he still has the original-journal and I will scan the fotos and send to you.

Regards
Wilhelm

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Thanks a lot Wilhelm.
I'll look forward to see those photos!.


Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hello Ayala Botto,

you got a private message (PN) from me.

Regards
Wilhelm

Zitat von Arno

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Hello Ayala Botto,

you got a private message (PN) from me.

Regards
Wilhelm

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Hi Wilhelm,

I've got the message! Very useful!


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hi Wilhelm,

Did you used Kibri decals on your Gottald railway crane?
Where did the "DB" decals came from?

Regarding the wheels, did you replaced the original plastic wheels with metal wheels?
My Gottwald crane is not for display, so I must use metal wheels, however the inside wheels of the bogie are different from the outside wheels.....
How did you solve this issue?


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hi Ayala Botto,

ìts a long time ago since I learned English, so it is not so easy for me. But I will try and if there is something wrong on my nonsense, please ask again:

1. I used the original KIBRI-markings.
But attention!! You wrote about “decals”. The KIBRI-markings are no decals that you have to fix with the aid of water !
The Kibri-markings are self-glueing. If you need I can describe how to handle it. But I saw,
that you already build some other KIBRI-Kits. So I think, that you already know how to manage this problem.
I think that you use an airbrush for painting your models . In this case I have some hint, that can be helpful:
- First you have to airbrush the parts with shiny, glossy paint in the colour that you need (for example: yellow, black or something else).
- When it is dry - apply the markings. (original-KIBRI or decals - it is the same)
- Than airbrush allover with semi-gloss colourless enamel.
You will get the best result if you have an airbrush and if you take this way. It is nearly not to notice that the markings are applied and not printed..

The “DB” markings are decals that I got from a german dealer named: Andreas Nothaft : http://www.andreas-nothaft.de/index.php?...id=13&Itemid=27
He produces decals like you want it after your design/example.

2. The election of the wheelsets depend on the tracksystem you prefer.
At tracks for DC-System you can use ROCO Nr. 40194 (NEM-shape) or ROCO 40266 (RP 25-shape).
At Märklin-tracks – ROCO Nr. 40195.

(My layout is equipped with Märklin-K-track. But nevertheless I used the ROCO 40266 (RP 25) because these wheels look great and like the original-wheels with their disc-brakes. If you will also use the ROCO-wheelsets Nr. 40266 or 10194 on Märklin-K-track you must reduce the distance inside the wheels on one axle to 14.0 mm. If you do not reduce there will be derailments on each switch. On Märklin-C-track I think, there is no need to reduce the gauge.)

At the two inside axles (axle 2 and 3) of each bogie I cut the tips of the ROCO-metal-axles with a small cutting-disk and Dremel.

I hope, that I could help you und wish a lot of fun with the crane.

Regards
Wilhelm

Zitat von Arno

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Hi Ayala Botto,

....... If you will also use the ROCO-wheelsets Nr. 40266 or 10194 on Märklin-K-track you must reduce the distance inside the wheels on one axle to 14.0 mm. .....
Wilhelm

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Hi Ayala Botto,

its me again:

I have to clear up for better understanding:

You have to reduce the distance between the wheels at all 8 axles (not only at one) !

Sorry

regards
Wilhelm

Hi Wilhelm,

Very usefull advices and recomendations!

And your English is far better than my German!



Thanks for your time!

Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hi,

what are the best options (Marklin, Roco, etc), regarding support wagons (crane vehicle auxiliary carriage) to use with this Gottwald Railway Crane?


Thanks
Regards,
Ayala Botto

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Hi,

what are the best options (Marklin, Roco, etc), regarding support wagons (crane vehicle auxiliary carriage) to use with this Gottwald Railway Crane?


Thanks
Regards,
Ayala Botto

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Hi Ayala Botto,

look at the first and second foto in the beginning of this thread. (17. february 2009)

There you can see what I did:
I used the No.3623 from Klein-Modellbahn. This is a short wagon. But it has 4 axles. When the crane is running in a train to reach its next place, the top-speed is 120 km/h. So the support-wagon also should accept this speed.

Regards
Wilhelm

Hi Wilhelm,

Thanks for the tip.
Klein-Modellbahn models are not available in Portugal, so I'll have to find an alternative from other manufactures (Märklin, Roco, Brawa, etc).
I usually buy my models at ComboiosElectricos model trains shop: http://www.comboioselectricos.com/

BTW did yo scrathbuilt the supports for the long yellow part that is on top of the support-wagon?


Thanks.
Regards,
Ayala Botto

Hi Ayala Botto,

I saw, that your favorite dealer also has connections to RIVAROSSI-products (HORNBY). From RIVAROSSI you can take the wagon with the catalogue-no. HR6047 or even better HR6063. If your dealer cannot find one of this - there are some other versions of this wagons (the difference are the loads) in the RIVAROSSI-catalogue.

The yellow bar that you can see at my support-wagon is part of the KIBRI kit. At the real bar there are fitted some chains and hooks. KIBRI made these chains and hooks of plastic. I replaced them with fine brass-chains and hooks. This looks much better.
At the original, this bar is fitted to the crane instead of the hook. It is needed, if the crane is used for track-maintenance. With this bar they move complete switches in one part.

Regards
Wilhelm

Hi Ayala Botto,

to complete my answer from this morning :

The two supports, that carry the bar at the support-wagon, I made of small parts of plastic-sheet.

Regards
Wilhelm